>From elca@uniserv.uniplan.it Mon May 12 17:32:58 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 12:45:04 +0000 (GMT) From: maria rosaria Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: No way home: cool pics I _did_ type it wrong!!! http://www.tiac.net/users/orenfilm/nwphoto.htm Love, Maria Rosaria "That's what we spend half of our life doing: reading each other" (from the Gospel according to Philip Chaney, 7, 23) >From Brezzy01@aol.com Mon May 12 17:33:04 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Brezzy01@aol.com Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: OK I Cant' Fool Anyone ! IM SORRY! I"M NOT NEW! Hi Rothie's, It's me Vickie I am Sorry I am a One who likes tro have fun doing (silly things.) (But I DO NOT Mean to fool Noone.) Ok Loki Privately Send me your address I have that Movie The Perfect Husband Ready to mail I lost your address. If you still want It Please E-Mail Me. Now to Exsplain what happen. First Loki Is Cool I'm Not mad . But this DAM AOL Which i love to use is Messing me Up bad. First I lost all sounds from aol like you got mail& I was booted off the list by a Aol Ghost HA! Then For the THIRD Time It has Wiped Out My Idenity you Know Rothette,Viper, Now hopefully Brezzy01 Will keep. i am sorry if your Confused by this or Your Upset with me for trying to fool you as a joke. It's just Life gets Boring And I have a Stupid Sense of Humor. So all is Cool and Please Forgive me. I PROMISE ON TIMROTHS HEART I AM VICKIE SMITH THE PRANKSTER. Sincerly, Vickie Brezzy01@aol.com P.S. It's also Taking my E-Mail to the list about 8 Hours to come back to me over the list....... Maybe It will be Faster Today............................................................. >From Brezzy01@aol.com Mon May 12 17:33:07 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:03:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Brezzy01@aol.com Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: OFF TOPIC/ CONFIDING In My ROTHIE FAMILY......... ****************************************************************************** ****************************************************************************** **************************************** TO ALL THE ROTHIE"S ON THIS LIST I Just Wanted TO SAY SORRY FOR BEING SILLY! I Have Been Having Problems Lately and Noone To Talk to.SO I really been Acting Strange. Yes I am Taking My Medication. But I Often, GET SEVERLY DEPRESSED AND EVERYTHING HURTS MT FEELINGS It's a problem I was born with and I will Tell My Rothie Family Because I Know You Guy's Don't Judge People & I Can Trust you Guys. In the Past Month I Have tried to Commit Sucide 3 Times With Pills. I Have a Disorder Called BI-POLAR Disorder Its a Type of Manic Deppression & I have Disthymia & Panic attacks The are MOOD Disorders. I go To My Shrink every Two Months. They cant do No More for me But Keep Me On Meds & Follow Up Vists. So I Have Mood Swings Very Often. SO thats why i act silly some times In saying Stupid Crap! Or TAKING THINGS THE WRONG WAY. ALSO what I think is funny as a Joke, Proably Isn't To you Guys. I DO Not want SYMPATHY I just wanted to Tell my Rothie Family Why I Act Goofy Some times. And I hope You all Will Have Me Back As a Rothie ....................P.S. IM NOT INSANE ......... ****************************************************************************** ******************** Sincerly, Vickie Smith / SORRY To confuse with the New Name! Brezzy01@aol.com ****************************************************************************** ******************** >From Musique528@aol.com Mon May 12 17:33:10 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Musique528@aol.com Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: New To The List In a message dated 97-05-01 09:10:41 EDT, you write: >Hello, >I am Brezzy! I am New to the Tim Roth List. >I hope I can get to know all of you. >I love Tim Roth Very much. I have a bunch of his Movies. >I have been a fan for 7 Years I am 27 years old and I live In >LosAngeles Calif. >Brezzy Hey Vicki, How're ya doing? >From bane@tesla.netline.net Mon May 12 17:33:12 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 15:10:05 +0000 From: XFury Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: OFF: Re: Confiding... Vickie~ No problem here, I *definitely* don't think you are insane. At all. I've had my battles with depression as well, though I am probably not dealing with as much stress as you are. I've been having panic attacks since I was nine, and managed to keep them under control, but in the past two years they have gotten to the point that I had to stop working and started to become mildly agoraphobic because of them. I'm on medication for the panic too, and I am most likely going to have to get put on something stronger. I understand about that. All I can tell you is that I relate to the mood swing thing very well, and though, for the most part I can control it (outwardly) with the events of the past two years it has gotten to the point where it is becoming a problem and is sometimes very hard to keep things in perspective. Panic attacks suck. Bad. I'm not sure what they have you on, but I know that alot of the meds that they can put people on for panic and anxiety can be addictive (as what I'm on is) if taken over a long period of time. I never thought I'd commit suicide either, or even consider it until this year. Emotions can be a real pain in the @$$ sometimes. But hang in there, Vickie, you're far to interesting and cool to let it get the best of you. Blessings, Laurian >From RavenDrael@aol.com Mon May 12 17:33:14 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:11:08 -0400 (EDT) From: RavenDrael@aol.com Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Tim on Letterman Transcipt Here goes... now, visuals... picture Tim, hair slicked back, clean-shaven, brown sweater (the one he seems to like to wear), gray pants and what look to be rain boots or combat boots... he's very fidgety, very nervous, bites his lips, makes faces, crosses and uncrosses his legs several times, all the while playing with his sleeves. Enjoy! ---- Dave: And it opens today, Ladies and gentlemen. Here he is, Tim Roth! Tim? (Enter Tim to music and cheers) Dave: How ya doin' Tim? Tim: I'm good Dave: Pleasure to meet you! Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself. First, tell us about your connection with Quentin Tarantino. Reservoir Dogs and then also Pulp Fiction, how did that association start. And, these are interesting parts...(Notices that Tim is playing with his sleeves) What're you doing? Stop that. (Tim slouches in his chair and winds his hands together, causing Dave to look exasperated. Tim stops.) The one where you bleed to death and the other one where you're holding up the diner, how did that begin, how did that association start? Tim: Um, really, really boringly. Dave: That's the wrong answer tonight Tim! Tim: Okay! (Both men laugh) Um, my agent sent me the script, and immediately, the first couple of pages I just thought "This is brilliant." You know, this is the sort of film you want to come to America and be in. So I bled to death and I got the job and... (mumbles) Dave: That also is the wrong answer tonight Tim. Tim: Oh, thank you very much! (Both laugh) Dave: Where are you from originally? Tim: From London. Dave: London? (Loki interjection: Where the hell was he expecting, Pakistan?) Tim: Yeah. Dave: And when did you come to the United States? Tim: I came about four or five years ago. Dave: And live now in Los Angeles? Tim: Yeah. Getting the West Coast race. Dave: I'm sorry? Tim: Getting the... Dave: Getting the West Coast race. Exactly. Good for you. Tim: But you know what? This city will kick that city's ass. Dave: Of course, how can it not? (Cheers and applause) Dave: Now, this movie, Rob Roy. I know nothing about the movie. But, I think, we're all familiar with Rob Roy the cocktail. I've got about 8 in me now! Tim: Yeah, you'd be ready. (giggles) Dave: But he's a mythical character. I mean, he's a real man, from Scotland, and, uh, legendary. Tim: Actually, he was about 5'5", with bright red hair, so Liam is the perfect casting for that. Dave: Liam is a huge man, is he not? Tim: Liam's about 6'5", with... great knees. Dave: Now, tell us of Rob Roy the man and what he means to the folks of Scotland. Tim: He was a rogue. He was and absolute... I suppose it's the Robin Hood thing, in that he scuppered the rich, that was his... that was his job in life. Dave: What era are we talking about? What year? Tim: 1700's. Early 1700's. Dave: That's good, and are people enjoying the film? Tim: I think so... Hope so. (Gives a double thumbs up to the audience, looking dopey, then looks at the band, where Slash from G-n-R is standing) Slash! (looks at Dave) This is great! Dave: You having a nice time? Tim: (laughing) I'm having a great time! Dave: That's good. (Tim regains his composure) Tim: You're going to London soon right? Dave: Yes, we are. We're going to London the second or third week in May. Looking forward to it, really very excited about it. London is a wonderful city."To not love London is to not love life." Tim: I'm with you. Dave: George Bernard Shaw. Tim: Thank you very much. Dave: You know what else George Bernard Shaw said about love? Tim: Hmm? Dave: You can't start it like a car you can't stop it with a gun. Tim: Really... (Throws an odd look Dave's way. Smile and nod) Dave: Speaking of love, I understand your wife is expecting, congratulations. Tim: Yes!! (smiles) Yay! Um, it's a bit worrying, I'm here and I should be there. Dave: How far along is she? Tim: She's got about 3 weeks left. Dave: Oh, good heavens! Why yes, by all means... Tim: Yes! (Mocks getting up and leaving) Dave: Is this your first child? Tim: Um, no... (throws a look at Dave that plainly says "You didn't do your research!") (Dave pulls his hands into his jacket sleeves) Dave: Don't teach the kid to do this. (Tim slaps his sleeves down) Tim: You got sleeves, you use 'em! Dave: (laughs) Well, Tim, it certainly was a pleasure having you on the program, congratulations. Good luck with the baby, good luck with your career. Please, come back and see us again sometime. Tim: I'd love to. Dave: Tim Roth, ladies and gentlemen! >From RavenDrael@aol.com Mon May 12 17:33:16 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:25:46 -0400 (EDT) From: RavenDrael@aol.com Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: No Way home pics these are some great stills... i've created a zip file for those who might want them, so... email me, and you will have them... if every one who wants them could let me know by Saturday, they'll go out on Sunday... i'm going to start going through the miramax page, and saving pictures from there.. from the Oscar's site... so, if you find a page that has a picture or two, let me know, and will save them all to disk... Loki >From CummingM@gwgate.nhlbi.nih.gov Mon May 12 17:33:18 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:50:22 -0400 From: Michelle Cummings Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: GQ Is In The Building WARNING -- LONG POST (OH-NO!! NOT AGAIN!!!) > When I saw Speed, I stupidly drank a large orange all by myself, and of >course I had to go the bathroom. I missed when the got off the damn bus. >Tracey Yipes!!! Can't tell you how many times similar stuff has happened to me!!! GQ from Britain is here!!! (May 1997 issue) But I felt like a pervert buying it!!! It has a cover like a Playboy magazine, and if that wasn't enough embarrassment -- when I went up to the MALE cashier (cringe!), my credit card was rejected (humiliation!). So as I'm searching my wallet, pulling out dollar bills here and there, I'm getting more and more embarrassed, so I keep losing count of the money!! So it takes about 3 times as long to buy it than normal. But....would I do it again?? You betcha!!! Thanks again Marquerite for telling us about it (and I'm sure I spelled your name wrong -- sorry). AND the PICTURES!! Oh-la-la!!! 2 new ones I've never seen, and four that I've already seen -- Archie, Stretch, Ted, and Vincent. The article is really different -- mostly shows his harsh, intense side. And talks about his mom and dad; Anne and Ernie (I never knew their names before). But the article must have been written a while ago, because it mentions him having 2 sons. Some of the article stuff is: "His lips, around a Camel, are usually seen with blood frothing out between them. His nose says it could do comedy. His manner is as uncuddly as you can get without a firearms licence. Asked what art he would buy, if allowed to buy anything, he relaxes: 'I'd have Van Gogh's sunflowers picture that was blown up in Hiroshima, an Egon Schiele self-portrait of him masturbating and -- oh yeah -- about twenty Bacons.' The voice is slightly nasal. The conversation is not enervated by amusing accents but his thoughts are disciplined and his ideas have been carefully considered and processed." "Two-year-old Hunter, named after Hunter S Thompson, is his son by wife Nikki, a fashion designer whom he met at the Sundance Film Festival. They married in Belize in 1993 and live in Silverlake, home of Latinos and bohos, where the atmosphere is reminiscent of the East Village when Keith Haring was king. He adores his family. His wife is 'phenomenal' and there is much soppy talk about the babywear department at Fred Segal." "His mother Anne was a teacher. He was born in Dulwich, south London. Ernie left when Roth was young but lived nearby. Anne, says Roth, was 'supportive.' On the one hand, he insists they were 'unextraordinary'; on the other, he says: 'I have blanked a lot of it out.'" "The Roth family had no money, so Tim went to a comprehensive in Brixton. He developed an acceptable cockney accent, but the options were football or fascism, neither of which interested him. Small, bright and bullied, he was forced into social exile, and these experiences, in some respects, have affected everything he has done since." "Giovinazzo **the director of "No Way Home"** ...thinks that Roth picked on his script because it was a chance to 'play a good-hearted character rather than an evil killer'. On the set, when Roth made a point, he was usually right. 'He is a great film actor,' says Giovinazzo. 'He knows when to be photographed. He knows when to be big and when to be small. There were scenes when I thought he wasn't giving me enough, and he would say, 'Trust me.' Then I would see the dailies and he would be right. He is the only actor who actually pares down dialogue, who will take out lines and do things with a look.'" "Roth, for his part, liked Giovinazzo because he was warm and easily moved...Sometimes, when they were filming, there would be tears in the director's eyes." "When I first met my wife, she didn't have a clue who I was." "'Has your heart been broken?'" "'A couple of times, yeah. I have broken hearts more often than I've had my own broken.'" "The casual observer of this unfathomable individual who has played so many popular psychotics can only wonder where the murderous oik ends and the bright boy from Dulwich begins." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well, the WHOLE article is really interesting! But the price of the mag isn't -- $6.95!!! (Plus, whatever a paper bag costs, to put over your head while buying it in front of the cashier (unless of course, you're used to buying Playboy.)) Heehee!! Maria, since you asked about "The Perfect Husband" -- it's a definite MUST SEE!!! Tim's in almost every scene. (For some reason I kept seeing bits and pieces of the same expressions/mannerisms of Archie and the character he played in Bodies, Rest and Motion. It was fun!! But I digress...) I still can't figure out the plot too much (too busy drooling over you-know-who!!) He plays Milan a "dandy" -- trying to bed almost every woman he meets. Has a few very short x-rated scenes (though not as good as Captives), but still DELICIOUS!!! Usually while first seeing Tim in the movies, I'm focusing so hard on him, that I hardly know what else is going on, so I haven't figured out the plot yet. (Heehee!!) Will have to view it a few more times before the plot reveals itself. (Heeheehee!!!) He sings opera at a piano (this HAS to be seen!!! And I'm sure it's not his voice!!), and he ballroom dances (Yum! Yum!). One scene that absolutely melted me was just seeing Tim dressed-up in a black top-hat with a long cape!!! OHMIGOD!!! Vickie -- please be brave!!! Keep your chin up!!! The list sure would lose some INCREDIBLE posts without you!!!!!!!!!!! Here are some hugs and kisses for you: OOOOOOO XXXXXX OOOOOOO XXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take Care and Stay Supercool Everyone!! >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:33:22 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 01:21:51 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: GQ Is In The Building Michelle, thanks for the stuff from the GQ article! It was really fascinating! He does sound very intense in this interview. I loved that line, "His manner is as uncuddly as you can get without a firearms license..." I'm sorry there wasn't any info on his most recent son; we haven't even found out the name yet, have we? I guess Tim and his wife are keeping it special and private and not alerting the media, which is definitely their privilege. I hope it's not because nobody in the media cares enough to put a little mention of it in somewhere! And thanks also for the report on Common Pursuit! Was it a comedy or a drama? I'm truly I did not get to see Tim Roth singing opera at a piano! > "...interested him. Small, bright and bullied, he was forced into social > exile, and these > experiences, in some respects, have affected everything he has done > since." Haven't I read somewhere before where journalists make a big deal about Tim's troubled past and wonder if he acts because of it or something? And Tim gets mad when people write stuff like that, perhaps because he has a very professional attitude towards film-making? Does that sound familiar? --David >From afb6@multiverse.com Mon May 12 17:33:24 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 03:18:47 -0400 From: Angie Brown Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: GQ Is In The Building Since we suddenly have this new info on Tim's parents names, I was wondering if anyone is keeping the FAQ updated. It hasn't been updated since Jen last made some changes in July of 1996, I believe. I took the liberty of adding to it a bit in early February when I reliazed Jen was leaving. I was thinking I may go ahead and redistribute what I have. If there is someone else (Loki?) who has taken on the responsibility already, wonderful! If not, I would be more than happy to work on it's upkeep and distribute it monthly. Let me know!! Also, since the old FAQ was wiped out when Jen's page died, I will distribute the one I have and if someone is doing the maintainence, they are more than welcome to use the whole thing and have their way with it. I have to wonder what the East Village when Keith Haring was king was like. I grew up in Silverlake, less than a mile from where Tim currently lives. Somehow, I don't think they are quite giving the area a fair review. But, then again, they may simply be comparing it to the posh areas in which most stars live. I'll tell you this, Silverlake is a heck fo a lot better than living in Hollywood. Now that place is scummy!! :) I have this strong image of Tim as the world's best father. After his comment to Letterman about how he should be with his pregnant wife instead of in New York doing a talk show and the quote about his remarks on the babywear department, I begin to wonder if I should have him father my own children!!! :D Okay, now back to the real world... Didn't David Letterman sound like a putz in that interview?!?! If I were Tim, I would not have been so patient. For instance: Tim: Yeah. Getting the West Coast race. Dave: I'm sorry? Tim: Getting the... Dave: Getting the West Coast race. Exactly. Good for you. I'll admit that I don't understand Tim's comment exactly, but why didn't Dave just ask him about it's meaning ratehr than cutting him off and changing the subject? Oh well, as you can tell, I'm not a huge Letterman fan. But what can I say? I grew up on the West Coast. I'm still hoping Johnny Carson makes a return and kicks Leno in the behind on his way out the door. :) One last thing, if anyone taped The Perfect Husband and would be willing to make a copy for a desperate soul, I would pay you just about anything. This one is tough since I doubt I will ever find it on video anywhere. Right now I only have one Tim movie, RAGAD, and if I keep watching it every time I have a VCR at my disposal, I'm going to wear down the tape and it'll snap (eeek!)! Angie P.S. I need more pics!!! C'mon guys, get into the spirit of things. So far I only have pics of Amanda, Vicki, and myself (duh!). I'm going to need a few more than that to make this rothie pic page any fun. Okay, I'll stop nagging now. *begs* ;) >From afb6@multiverse.com Mon May 12 17:33:26 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 03:42:48 -0400 From: Angie Brown Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: GQ Is In The Building > Haven't I read somewhere before where journalists make a big >deal about Tim's troubled past and wonder if he acts because of it or >something? And Tim gets mad when people write stuff like that, perhaps >because he has a very professional attitude towards film-making? Does that >sound familiar? Yes, in fact it's almost as though that's a quote from somewhere. I mean, honestly, when acting, who wants to play themself? That's not acting! I noticed the reviewer in GQ mentioned that Tim came from a background with no money and consequently had to go to a comprehensive school where he picked up his cockney accent. This doesn't jibe at all from what I've heard previously. I thought he came from a middle class background and had to go to comprehensive school because he failed his exams for private school. I know I have read artciles that stated the same thing as GQ, but a lot of those are rather old. I also remember reading an article that said Tim was saying he was from a lower class background, but was actually from a middle class community. Now I don't know what to believe. But, I've read countless times that he lived near Margaret Thatcher and somehow I doubt she was living in a lower class neighborhood. Maybe I shall never know. Angie P.S. Sorry for all the posts tonight. I had too much caffeine. :) I promise the FAQ will be the last one! >From afb6@multiverse.com Mon May 12 17:33:29 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 04:15:21 -0400 From: Angie Brown Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: *sigh* In hindsight, I realize how very un-kosher posting the FAQ as an attachment was. Not only, s an attchment to the whole list a bad idea, but I realized that not everyone uses Microsoft Word. Sowwy. *sheepish look* Here's the FAQ in case you weren't able tolook at the attachment: ______________________________________________ The Tim Roth FAQ (preliminary version 5) 1. What movies/TV shows has Tim Roth been in? A. Movies: 1. Liar (1997) 2. No Way Home (1997) 3. Hoodlum (1997) 4. Gridlock'd (1997) ...Stretch 5. Everyone Says I Love You (1996) ....Charles Ferry 6. Four Rooms (1995) .... Ted the bellboy 7. Rob Roy (1995) .... Cunningham 8. Captives (1994) .... Philip Chaney 9. Little Odessa (1994) .... Joshua Shapira 10. Pulp Fiction (1994) .... Pumpkin 11. Bodies, Rest & Motion (1993) .... Nick 12. Marido Perfecto, El (1992) .... Milan ... aka Perfect Husband, The (1992) 13. Reservoir Dogs (1992) .... Mr. Orange 14. Backsliding (1991) .... Tom Whitton 15. Jumpin' at the Boneyard (1991) .... Manny 16. Farendj (1990) 17. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead (1990) .... Guildenstern 18. Vincent & Theo (1990) .... Vincent van Gogh 19. Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover, The (1989) ....Mitchel ... aka Cuisinier, le Voleur, sa Femme et son Amant, Le (1989) ... aka Spica (1989) 20. To Kill a Priest (1988) .... Feliks 21. World Apart, A (1988) 22. Return to Waterloo (1985) 23. Hit, The (1984) .... Myron B. Television Movies: 1. Heart of Darkness (1994) .... Marlow 2. Murder in the Heartland (1993) .... Charles Starkweather 3. Common Pursuit (1992) .... Nick 4. Yellowbacks (1990) 5. Coppers (1988) 6. Metamorphosis (1987) .... Gregor Samsa 7. Murder With Mirrors (1985) .... Edgar Lawson ... aka Agatha Christie's 'Murder With Mirrors' (1985) 8. Meantime (1983) .... Colin 9. Made in Britain (1982) .... Trevor C. Special Appearances/TV: 1. Tales from the Crypt (Episode #33) (1992) ....(Artist) 2. King of the Ghetto (1980s) 2. Is Tim Roth British or American? Tim Roth is British, but often plays an American in the movies that he is in and does a convincing-enough American accent that many people think that he is American. He works closely with his dialogue coach, Suzanne Celeste, before/during most of his movies. 3. Is Tim Roth married? Does he have any kids? Where does he live? Yes, to Nikki Butler, a fashion designer he met at a film festival, from 1993 - present. They were married in in Central America while Tim was working on "Heart of Darkness". She likes 19th century costumes, and was the inspiration for his "Rob Roy" character. They have two children, a son named T. Hunter Roth (After Hunter S. Thompson and Hunter Carson), who is less than two years old, and a newborn son. Tim also has a son named Jack who is around 11 years of age. He currently lives in the Silver- lake district of Los Angeles. 4. How old is Tim Roth? He was born on 14 May 1961 in London England - you do the math. 5. How can I write to Tim Roth? Michaels, Wolfe, and Trencer, Inc. Public Relations 9350 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 328 Beverly Hills, CA 90212 Tim Roth c/o IFA Talent Agency 8730 Sunset Blvd. Los Angeles CA 90069 USA Tim Roth c/p Markham and Froggatt 4 Windmill Street London, W1P 1HF ENGLAND 6. What is the deal with the tattoos? It is said that Tim Roth bears tattoos on his right arm for significant events in his life, and that he currently has 5 such tattoos. Two of the tattoos are for the births of his sons, one is for his wife Nikki, and one says "P.E.R.I.S.H." It is rumored that he will be getting another one to sinfify the birth of the newest addition to his family. 7. Do Tim and Gary Oldman really write messages to each other on their bodyparts? Yes. This is because, according to Tim, that's the best way they can communicate with each other with their busy lives. Some history: In some magazine interview, Gary Oldman was asked to name certain people who he found to be attractive, Tim Roth being one of them. Tim must have read this, because Tim wrote something on his arm (or his head?) that read something along the lines of "G.O. I think you're sexy". Oldman then wrote on his belly, "Tim Roth I think you're sexy too". And then in the June 1993 issue of Detour, Tim wrote on his forehead, "Gary Oldman Lets Do It". In a more recent version of Bikini magazine, Eric Stoltz is covering a girl's breasts that read, "Tim Roth - Stop Writing On Your Face!!!". The next page of this article has Eric Stoltz smoking a cigar, frowning, with the following written on his forehead: "Tim Roth ?" 8. What kind of music/books does Tim like? Tim has stated that he enjoys most music, but some bands that he has singled out are "Rage Against the Machine", "The Sex Pistols", and "Siouxsie and the Banshees". Tim is an avid reader, more interested in books than magazines. He reads more nonfiction than fiction, particularly turn of the century books. He has a subscription to the [Manchester] Guardian. 9. Does Tim surf the Internet? He has stated "I don't know a bloody thing about computers," but there is hope yet. Recently, while in attendance at the Sundance Film Festival, Tim was the focus of a question and answer session on AOL Live. 10. What awards has he been nominated for and/or won? 1984: Won the Evening Standard Award for Best Newcomer for his role in Stephen Frears' The Hit. 1995: Nominated for "Best Supporting Actor" Oscar for Rob Roy 1995: Nominated for "Best Supporting Actor" Golden Globe for Rob Roy 1995: Nominated for "Best Actor" Independent Spirit Award for Little Odessa 1995: British Film and Television Award (BAFTA) for Best Supporting Actor in Rob Roy 1994: San Francisco International Film Festival Piper Heidsieck Award for "independence, courage, risk taking, and the avoidance of the conventional" 10. Where was Tim educated? Dick Sheppard Comprehensive; Camberwell School of Art 11. How tall is Tim? 5'7" 12. What kind of background did Tim come from? Tim likes to propagate the myth that he comes from a lower-middle class family. However, this appears to be untrue. He lived in a "nice" South London suburb (the same one Margaret Thatcher lived in), which was probably middle- to upper-middle class. His father, Ernie, was a journalist and his mother was a landscape painter. He has one older sister. Following in his mother's, Anne's, footsteps he attended art school, but after one year, dropped his sculpting aspirations in favor of acting. 13. Miscellaneous Trivia: His father's name was actually "Smith" but he changed it to "Roth" after World War II He studied to become a sculptor His first role was the title part in a stage musical based on Dracula He does not like bagels He spent the night in jail once when he was fifteen He sleeps in the buff 14. Is there a Tim Roth Mailing List? Yes! A Tim Roth Fan Mailing List was launched on 15 March 1996. You can join by sending a message to: listproc@u.washington.edu with the message subscribe timrothfan (Where is, of course, your name) There was also an Unofficial Tim Roth web page with pictures, this FAQ, articles, etc., but it is currently being reconstructed and set up on another site. Send updates, questions, comments, or additional information to: afb6@multiverse.com Acknowledgements: Thanks to everyone on the Tim Roth Mailing list for helping piece this information together! >From CummingM@gwgate.nhlbi.nih.gov Mon May 12 17:33:33 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:00:16 -0400 From: Michelle Cummings Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: GQ Is In The Building -Reply Hi Rothies!!! Loki, Gee, I'd LIKE to type the GQ article for everyone, BUT (there's always a catch, eh?), it's a long article, and at work we're doing a mass-mailing that's giving me carpel tunnel (I'll rest my little ol' fingers this weekend so everything will be ok). BUT certainly wouldn't mind sending xerox copies (for free) by snail/mail to anyone, OR, if any Tim Lovers want to give $$$ ($6.95) for the magazine, I'll be glad to buy them a copy. I won't even charge for the paper bag that I'll put over my head at the cash register (heehee!!). But if anyone wants the actually mag, could you please email me quickly -- before they run out of copies? (They had about 5 copies left at Borders Books last Wed.). There are 2 other Borders Books I can get to via the subway, so at least I can check there too!! Danielle, in an email before, I mentioned I wouldn't have postage to cover the cost of mailing the mag, BUT ("BUT" must be my word-of-the-day today, heehee), it turns out that the postage will be no problem, ok? So if you'd like, $6.95 for the mag will be just fine!!! Angie, thank for the FAQ. I'd already sent one to Loki for the new mailing list, but yours is more up-to-date. (I had version 3.) Oh well. At least I like typing, so that's ok!! (Just not with carpel tunnel -- blah!) Maria, I'd LOVE it if you could transcribe the interviews you talked about -- they sound GREAT!!!! And if there's ever a word I use that you don't understand, please just ask me. (I probably don't understand it either, heehee.) Hey David!! Yeah I liked "His manner is as uncuddly as you can get without a firearms license..." too!!! (Though I have a feeling, he might be the opposite when it comes to his family.) Somewhere I read where he was driving around with his son and a bunch of his son's friends, and Tim suddenly realized what a precious cargo he had in his car. (I like that too!!) Gosh, Tim just gets more and more mysterious!!! (Heeheehee!!!) Sure hope the media gets through, and at least gives us the name of Tim's 3rd little Rothling!!! But I think you're right David, that Tim and Nikki are keeping it special and private. (Gads! What's Tim Lover to do?? Heehee!!) >And thanks also for the report on Common Pursuit! Oopsie!! I think you might have meant "A Perfect Husband"? (Or maybe someone else has seen Common Pursuit?) If you meant "A Perfect Husband," then you must have had a long day, David (just teasing you!!). Let's see, let's recommend that you have a wonderful, long, relaxing vacation somewhere, hopefully where Tim is!!! (But I hope then, that you'd report back to us about what Tim was like!!! :) :) The GQ article also said, "'He has to trust you in order to be open,' says Buddy Giovinazzo." So, I'm sure Tim would trust you, David, and you could give us TONS of details about what Tim's REALLY like!!! And (as if this post wasn't long enough, heehee), I'll be here during the summer too, to bore you all, er, I mean, to relay posts back and forth!!! Everyone Have a Tim-Filled Weekend!!! Stay Supercool! Michelle email: cummingm@gwgate.nhlbi.nih.gov >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:33:35 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:17:37 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: FAQ--Probably Not. On Fri, 2 May 1997, Elizabeth J Scherrer wrote: > > Does anyone know if Tim Roth is Jewish? > No, he isn't. I heard this from James Gray when he spoke here. He assumed that Tim was Jewish, and mentioned something about it to Tim (Tim's character in Little Odessa was Jewish), and mimicked for our benefit Tim saying, with a look of confused disbelief, "WHAT? No, I'm not Jewish." --David >From allennickell@wesnet.com Mon May 12 17:33:37 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:25:12 -0400 From: Richard Nickell Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: GQ Is In The Building -Reply David.Wright@oberlin.edu wrote: > > > > > >And thanks also for the report on Common Pursuit! > > > > Oopsie!! I think you might have meant "A Perfect Husband"? (Or maybe > > someone else has seen Common Pursuit?) > > Oops! Yes, of course I meant Perfect Husband. That's the second time I > said one when I meant to say the other! > > > If you meant "A Perfect Husband," then you must have had a long > > day, David (just teasing you!!). > > It's May. School is over in two weeks. ALL my days are long. :) > > --David AMEN Here you loud and clear David, schools almost out!!!!!!!!!!! rick >From elca@uniserv.uniplan.it Mon May 12 17:33:42 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:38:38 +0000 (GMT) From: maria rosaria Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Ok, here are the first transcripts Nominees LUNCHEON 12 MARCH 96 Question: So, how does it feel like being a nominee? TIM: You wake up in the morning and think 'what a nice day' and then BAM! *slaps his forehead and lets his hand down his face in complete despair like the Home Alone kid* you suddenly remember you have to run from an interview to the other and that, OKAY, a nomination is already such a great thing, you cannot ask for more *moves his hands a bit like in the commode story* ... but you cannot help thinking you'd like sneaking out from there with one of those things in your hands... *pretends having an Oscar in his hands and walking away on his tiptoes with an evilish grin ... you should see him :D* Q: How do you think this nomination will affect you career? TIM: Have no idea. Until now I've worked mainly in independent movies, but I don't really know how this will influence my future work... *bites his lips thoughtfully* Q: What are you going to wear? A tuxedo? A female evening dress? TIM: What if I come like this? *laughs* *he wears a brown shirt...* No, I'm having someone (Prada) making a suit for me. That sounds really funny. Q: Why? TIM: I NEVER wear suits!!! *open his arms wide out, laughing* Q: And what are you going to do the night before the Oscars? TIM: I'm gonna get drunk... Q: What if you don't get sober on time? TIM: I'll drink some more *he nods* ____ Italian journalist stops him on the way to the Pavillon almost as if it was the last thing she'd do (this tv channel simply adore him): SO Tim, how does it feel? TIM: I'm pretty nervous, but I'm trying out to look at all this as if it was just a huge party... Q: What was the first reaction to the news you were nominated? TIM: I was surprised and... flattered. Q: Would you like to say something to your Italian fans? TIM: *smiles to the camera. -SWOON!- Thumb up* Hey guys! *does the victory sign with his fingers. The stiltbird smiles to the camera, too -ARGHH!-* With Tim is his agent and another woman who follows them. She looks like Tim, wears glasses. I don't know, I feel she was HIS MUM... Love, Maria Rosaria "That's what we spend half of our life doing: reading each other" (from the Gospel according to Philip Chaney, 7, 23) >From RavenDrael@aol.com Mon May 12 17:33:44 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:49:37 -0400 (EDT) From: RavenDrael@aol.com Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: ATTN: People on school accounts okay... well, knowing that David is going to be leaving, and there may be others, I'd like it if you have home email... if you could resub under that, or if not, if you could send me your home address (snail mail) so i can keep you up to date *holds up little notebook* i'm writing addresses down in here, so i can keep track of everyone >From elca@uniserv.uniplan.it Mon May 12 17:33:46 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 17:07:07 +0000 (GMT) From: maria rosaria Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Last transcript Just in case somebody needed it, I have most of Jen pages on my hard diak... Well, here's Tim on Philip (white shirt, uncombed hair, talks most of the time with his cheek on his left hand) TIM: When I was offered this role, I was flattered. I mean, I'd never get something like this in the U.S. There are so many interchangeable actors for these roles over there. I knew this could only happen in Europe. And I really admire Angela Pope's courage to have _me_ in her film. *laughs* I really liked one of his previous jobs, 'Sweet as you are' with Liam Neeson, which dealt with AIDS. I was so impressed. I said YES to her immediately also because I thought *smiles, crossing his legs* it could be a good excuse to go home for Christmas! Philip is a great character. He has killed his wife out of jealousy and is somehow still looking for self punishment. He meets the prison dentist, falls for her, has sex with her on his day out, but what he doesn't do is telling her why he's there. He knows that, if punishment has to come, it has to be from her - and it doesn't matter how hard it will be- it has to be when she finds out. At this point there is a brief interview to Angela Pope saying that Captives has been defined as a sort of erotic thriller, but it is basically a lovestory, set in a very unusual place where you'd never expect to see people falling in love, but still a lovestory. Of course, there's a political message behind it: prison is brutal and certainly not the best means to correct people ... but she still sees it as a love story, the keyword of which is what Philip once tells Rachel: YOU CAN LOVE THE WRONG PERSON (an unfaithful wife, an inmate...) I have another little Tim interview from this year's Sundance: TIM: What drove me crazy about him (Tupac) is that he was scared of rats! Totally obsessed by'em. He'd go 'I've seen one!!! *Tim is pointing somewhere* And I'd say 'WHERE?!' Love, Maria Rosaria "That's what we spend half of our life doing: reading each other" (from the Gospel according to Philip Chaney, 7, 23) >From Brezzy01@aol.com Mon May 12 17:33:47 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:35:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Brezzy01@aol.com Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: OFF TOPIC: ELLEN & BEING GAY! Hi Rothie's, Don't Mean to bring up a old Subject. But Even If It's Illeagal TO Be Gay I say GO FOT IT ! My Aunt is gay and my Cousin is gay. I love Men myself but Sometimes My Hubby Upsets me to the point I think about Becoming Gay. But I feel Everyone Has the Right to Happiness. Mavis Should be a Detective She Figured I was Brezzy Before I said I was and Liz said she reconized my handTyping. Well thanks for the FAQS . Any how No more Talk about me. TIM ROTH or ETC. Sincerly,Vickie Brezzy01@aol.com P.S. David I need your address again I lost the last One Sorry ! E-Mail Privately Please. >From ElectronicGreeting@hallmarkconnections.com Mon May 12 17:33:49 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 14:47:59 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) From: "ElectronicGreeting@hallmarkconnections.com" Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: An Electronic-greeting for you! A Hallmark Connections electronic-greeting has been created for you by Loki. To claim it, on the internet, go to URL: http://www.hallmark.com/eg/parse.cgi?/egreets/0439714/862688879.eg Your password is: 'the Tim Roth Internet Mailing List' >From selbert@spessart.com Mon May 12 17:33:52 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 18:37:02 +0100 From: Kwijybo Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Tim's the answer Hello everyone! I feel like I've been missing in action lately! Whew! Catching up is always fun! Angie - glad you got my pic, I heard your complaint earlier, so I was gonna drop you a line to promise it was on its way. Ah yes, and watch the use of the word "girl," sadly, I am already 29! Egads! Some people on the list probably can't imagine being that old! But it's not too bad! And hey, why has Angie only got like 10 pictures? We can do better than that! I want to see EVERYONE..., "EVVVVVVVVVERYYYYYYYYONNNNNNNNNNE!" (G.O., The Professional) Anyway, the point of this little post: I was eating my chicken noodle soup at work the other day, whiling away the time by scribbling in someone's crossword book, and I get to like 3 or 4 down, and the clue is "Lillian or Tim." I see Tim and immediately think ROTH, and I look at the puzzle, and sure enough, already scribbled in are the letters R-O-T-_-_ ! Roths! Too cool! A tear came to my eye as I realized that Tim has really made it! A crossword puzzle! Wow! Could an Oscar really top this? ;) And who's Lillian? All right! I'm gone! Janice "To lose one parent may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:33:57 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 23:48:25 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: ATTN: People on school accounts > okay... well, knowing that David is going to be leaving, and there may be > others, I'd like it if you have home email... if you could resub under that, > or if not, if you could send me your home address (snail mail) so i can keep > you up to date *holds up little notebook* i'm writing addresses down in here, > so i can keep track of everyone > I'll still be here for another couple of weeks, but.... Here is my home address (I will be there from May 18 through the end of August): David Wright 7311 S. Marion St. Littleton, CO 80122 Don't lose it! If the mailing list changes or anything, be sure and let me know! I'll be back on the list as soon as possible. And hey, if any of you find yourself with absolutely nothing else to do over the summer, write me a letter! I'll write back! :) --David >From mercedes@access.digex.net Mon May 12 17:34:01 1997 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 20:35:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Mercedes Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Introduction I just joined this list, and feel at a bit of a disadvantage. I might also say I just "discovered" Tim Roth, but that's not quite true. Let's just say that having known of Mr. Roth for some years now, I only just "fell for him" (sometimes these things take a while). Now I'm eager to make up for lost time. A tiny bit about me (not all that interesting). I'm an aspiring opera singer, just beginning to get my first professional jobs. I've also done acting, musical and none musical, and I'm also an unproduced playwright and unpublished novellist (like too many other people), but a published rock critic, and a one-time Celtic folk-singer to boot. Then there's my day job. I'm working on my second novel now - have been for a few years, though the first year and a half was spent mainly on research. It takes place during the First World War, and when they make it into a film, I've made the male lead the right age so that Tim won't be too old to play him. :) I have no tattoos, and don't smoke, but what the hell? So where (and why) do I send my pics through snail mail (what pics)? Karen Mercedes >From afb6@multiverse.com Mon May 12 17:34:03 1997 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:27:06 -0400 From: Angie Brown Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: Introduction >I just joined this list, and feel at a bit of a disadvantage. I might >also say I just "discovered" Tim Roth, but that's not quite true. Let's >just say that having known of Mr. Roth for some years now, I only just >"fell for him" (sometimes these things take a while). Now I'm eager to >make up for lost time. I was in a similar situation about a year ago, so you aren't really that disadvantaged. :) >A tiny bit about me (not all that interesting). I'm an aspiring opera >singer, just beginning to get my first professional jobs. I've also done >acting, musical and none musical, and I'm also an unproduced playwright >and unpublished novellist (like too many other people), but a published >rock critic, and a one-time Celtic folk-singer to boot. Then there's my >day job. > >I'm working on my second novel now - have been for a few years, though the >first year and a half was spent mainly on research. It takes place during >the First World War, and when they make it into a film, I've made the male >lead the right age so that Tim won't be too old to play him. :) All I can say is WOWIE ZOWIE. When do you sleep? :) >So where (and why) do I send my pics through snail mail (what pics)? We've decided that it might be fun to get all of our pictures gathered in one place on the internet for viewing. I have volunteered for the organization of this project as well as storage space for these pictures. I had originally intended to make a match game of sorts out of this, but some of the pictures may be a while in coming, so I have opted not to do that as it wouldn't work very well. I think all of you are intellegent enough to notice that if one new picture is added to the page on a certain day and so is one new name, that they probably match. :) If you're interested and already have a scanned picture of yourself, you can email it to me privately. If you are interested and do not have have access to a scanner, you can also send it to me snail mail and I will gladly return the picture to you after I've scanned it. Angie >From bane@tesla.netline.net Mon May 12 17:34:05 1997 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 22:52:00 +0000 From: XGaharietX Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: Introduction Karen~~ Not all that interesting?? I beg to differ! An aspiring opera singer? That is very interesting, especially since there are so many wonderfully creative people on this list. As for acting, playwrighting and writing novels...how can you say you're uninteresting?? That's a very diverse combination..not to mention being a *published* :) rock critic and a Celtic folk singer. I truly love Celtic music of any kind! Your novel sounds intriguing, and I'd like to hear more if you don't mind. If I am being too nosy just tell me. I suppose part of my interest comes from the fact that I too (I'm one of the too many others;) have spent the last ten (egads...I think it's coming up on eleven) years working on a novel, and am about to be published. I had a deal with Dell last year but I sort of F***ed it up (lack of better term, here) and am working on several screenplays, film shorts (which are actually going to be up for public sale:), music videos (for local Goth Bands) and co edit a Gothic Magasine entitled Chiaroscuoro. I certainly can't sing opera (I'm envious, Karen;) but I may be appearing (at least my voice, that is...) on a Goth/Industrial CD as a favour to a friend. I'm an actress too, as I believe quite a few of us on this list are. I *am* a produced playwright (my first was a four hour monstrosity for an AIDS benefit) and my latest is part of a benefit (to raise money for the Tampa AIDS Network) which consists of a segment of my novel, a fetish show, and some performance art. I'm in school full time, spend my spare time fencing (I'm alright now. I used to really *SUCK*) and in the Renaissance Festival. I've got a day job too **sigh** and it seems like I'm always there. Unfortunately, I have *professional student syndrome* and am stalling and trying to receive as much financial aid as I possibly can. Perhaps I'll someday hold the record for **World's Oldest Student** I *used* to have a coven but we seem to be defunct (Loki is our resident High Priestess on the list...no matter how many times she refers to herself as the Resident Bitch I still refuse to believe it;) Michelle is a wonderful writer, David will someday be scoring films, and Elias I'm sure will succeed if he wishes to pursue film. Everyone here is so damn talented and witty I feel under constant pressure to not post "something lame." (Though I've yet to see anyone post anything I'd call "lame") I'm just overly critical of *me*. A girl has to have her own standards, ya know? I have too many tattoos, but I don't smoke either. I admit it, it's lame but I like smoking and find it very sexy. If I wasn't so damn afraid of cancer and didn't choke every time I tried, I probably would smoke. I envy you about musicals, Karen. I've tried. I suck. I can either sing or act. It's kind of like walking and chewing gum...I just can't do both. You're not at a disadvantage...I was a closet Rothie for a long time, as none of my friends or co workers were blind to Tim's talent, sheer presence and candidness. (Is that even a word?) Forgive me. I'm going on 48 hours of being awake here. I'm babbling. Bad. Welcome to the list, Karen. If you've survived this post, you're a better man than I. (Even though I'm not a man) Ack. It's time for bed Babbling Incoherently, Laurian >From mercedes@access.digex.net Mon May 12 17:34:07 1997 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 23:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Mercedes Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: Introduction Well, I have to admit, I do like the occasional cigar (with my port, of course).... Now, rock is something I have *NEVER* had the talent to perform. I think when I really wanted to do it, I was just way to inhibited. Now I'm channelling all my lack of inhibition into being the sexiest Carmen ever. The novel, in brief, is loosely based on the story of Le Cid. I say loosely, because the hero is not a Spanish nobleman, but a French dockworker who has rebelled against his bourgeois country family. The heroine is an opera singer (surprise surprise) who tours the hospitals, training towns, etc. of the Western Front, to entertain the soldiers (this satisfies the dual purpose of "writing what I know" and also avoiding yet another novel about a First World War nurse). The big betrayal, which in Le Cid consists of the hero killing the heroine's father in a duel after the heroine's father insults his father, isn't quite the same. In my novel, the hero kills the heroine's brother - or rather, causes him to be killed at the Front - because of the brother's cowardice, which puts all his men at risk, and his particular abuse of the hero's brother (who is ultimately killed due to the other man's spitefulness), who is in the same battalion. Anyway, I don't want to give much more away, in large part because there's a lot of other subplots involving the heroine's (Chimene Gormas') troupe-trooping adventures. I also haven't decided if this will be a one- or two-viewpoint book - i.e., if I'll tell the whole thing only from Chimene's point of view, or if I will also include the hero's. Doing the latter will make a lot more work for me...but less for the screenwriter, when the time comes. :) And, as I mentioned, the role of protagonist - Rodrigue Bivarre - is tailor-made for Tim. The heroine, I haven't really "cast" in my mind's eye, though Valeria Golino keeps popping into my imagination, at least as the right physical type. I'd love to hear more about your writings. What was your play about? And your novel? Karen Mercedes >From Elias.Sardonis@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:34:09 1997 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 23:35:03 -0400 (EDT) From: ELIAS Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: semi-off:peter greenaway hey all. thanks to david i may be able to go see peter greenaway's new film AND HIM in cleveland on thursday. there is a showing of his film and a q&a period after. i am so excited. i've become doubly obsessed lately- he surpassed stanley kubric as my favorite director of all time. (when we were relating our weekends to my french discussion group today i mentioned how i watched a greenaway film (drowning by numbers; with david) and how he was going to be in cleveland and how i was trying to go, and how he is so great, etc etc, and i got too excited and started talking in english) anyhow, we are also studiing "the tempest" in my classical drama and shkespeare comp lit class, so naturally i am on a quest to see prospero's books again, but i can't find it. HOPEFULLY i can make it to see him on thursday. i'll fill you all in, of course. i doubt though that i will ask a question about tim, it seems to be an important thing and i am very shy so will probably just sit in awe. oh yeah, david daid he couldn't come. i was too surprised to ask why not. i have to go read so i don't have anything to do thursday night, and they are also showing many of his films over the next few weeks, so i am hoping to go see some too, though i don't want to be greedy... i'll keep you updated. ELIAS emoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoe "i got a letter from the IRS the other day. they said that i owed them $800. so i wrote them back. i said, "if you remember, when i filed my return i fastened it with a paperclip, and according to your own government pentagon spending figures, that should more than cover it." -emo philips emoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoe >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:34:11 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 00:28:03 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: semi-off:peter greenaway > > hey all. > > thanks to david i may be able to go see peter greenaway's new film AND > HIM in cleveland on thursday. (This new film in case you don't know is The Pillow Book, with Trainspotting's Ewan McGregor. I really wish I was going to see it, not to mention that PETER GREENAWAY [director of The Cook, The Thief, etc....] is going to be there.) > > there is a showing of his film and a q&a period after. i am so excited. > i've become doubly obsessed lately- he surpassed stanley kubric as my > favorite director of all time. (when we were relating our weekends to my > french discussion group today i mentioned how i watched a greenaway film > (drowning by numbers; with david) and how he was going to be in cleveland > and how i was trying to go, and how he is so great, etc etc, and i got > too excited and started talking in english) It was really neat; Elias and I made plans to watch this Peter Greenaway film (we were also going to watch Captives but it was all checked out), and right at the same time I found an ad in the paper for Peter Greenaway's appearance in Cleveland. It drives me crazy that I can't go, as I am a fan of Peter Greenaway too. > > HOPEFULLY i can make it to see him on thursday. i'll fill you all in, of > course. i doubt though that i will ask a question about tim, it seems to > be an important thing and i am very shy so will probably just sit in awe. That would be interesting: "Mr. Greenaway, do you remember working with Tim Roth? He had six lines and a bunch of vomiting in one of your films?...." :) > > oh yeah, david daid he couldn't come. i was too surprised to ask why not. Stupid Gilbert & Sullivan show (Cox and Box; actually it's Gilbert and somebody else, not Sullivan) for which I am playing the piano (the show's accompaniment)...grrrrr.....this show has been scheduled since like January, but if I had had more than a week's notice on this I would have -- with great pleasure -- informed the director and cast that they could find somebody else for the Thursday night show. Elias, you are so lucky, you have to tell us ALL about it! --David >From sakana@fastrans.net Mon May 12 17:34:12 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 08:00:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Martha Fischer Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: old little odessa reply >I hate him in Little Odessa. What was up with that director? Can someone >explain the end of that for me? Plus he had all these lines that didn't >make sense or that he made pretty unclear. Amye and I'd be like, "What?," >so we'd rewind it and put on captions, and then it was like he'd taken >whole sentences and slurred them into one or two words. The best example >of this is when he's outside with Eddie Furlong, and they're eatin' >hotdogs or something, and He asks EF something like,"Doin' good with the >girls?" That whole scene was SO unclear, and then whenever he had to speak >in that other language it was so unconvincing. god, the scene w/the hotdogs is by far my favorite part of that movie. i love when tim kind of leans over and kicks eddie's bike, it's such a brother's affectionate act. i guess i'm in the minority, but i really like that movie. it was horribly grim and sad, but i found it very effective. both tim (obviously!) and eddie f are so talented, and i think their faces and styles are well-suited to that sort of story. if that makes sense. it's early. mcf >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:34:14 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 12:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: old little odessa reply > > god, the scene w/the hotdogs is by far my favorite part of that movie. i > love when tim kind of leans over and kicks eddie's bike, it's such a > brother's affectionate act. i guess i'm in the minority, but i really like > that movie. it was horribly grim and sad, but i found it very effective. > both tim (obviously!) and eddie f are so talented, and i think their faces > and styles are well-suited to that sort of story. if that makes sense. Martha, I don't know about the minority or majority, but I really like this movie too! I love the setting and the mood; I like how bleak and grim it is! I love the snowy winter Brooklyn environment, the way so much stuff happens at night, the beautiful music, the grimy apartments and motel rooms and other locations, etc..... It's a sort of arduous film to watch, but it left a very powerful impression on me. I like the hotdog scene too -- I think you're right about it being affectionate in a brotherly way, it sort of shows how Tim only knows how to express his affection for Eddie by kicking him and pushing his bike over, etc. It's very touching in a way. But my favorite scene is the very end where Tim carries his brother's body to "The Dump" and burns it. It's so powerful and tragic, it sort of sums up the whole movie -- and I love the music for that part especially. (Don't you all love the music in this movie? I bought the soundtrack album to it, I liked it so much. I like to listen to it in the dark. Interestingly, when James Gray was here he said that if he could do the movie over again, he would totally change the soundtrack. He hates the soundtrack; I forget why. Maybe because it's "too obvious"?) --David P.S. One of the main choral pieces used in Little Odessa (called "Love is Sacred" by the Russian composer Georgy Sviridov, and used in the film a lot whenever the mother is onscreen) was also used in the end of Dead Man Walking in the scene where Sean Penn is walking down the hallway to the execution chamber. >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:34:16 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 12:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: Introduction Hi, Karen! > I just joined this list, and feel at a bit of a disadvantage. I might > also say I just "discovered" Tim Roth, but that's not quite true. Let's > just say that having known of Mr. Roth for some years now, I only just > "fell for him" (sometimes these things take a while). Now I'm eager to > make up for lost time. I know how you feel; I feel the same way every time I join a mailing list (which I do fairly often, because I like mailing lists). I think this list is better than most at welcoming and accepting new people; I think everyone who joins finds their little niche here, don't you all think so? > > A tiny bit about me (not all that interesting). I'm an aspiring opera > singer, just beginning to get my first professional jobs. I've also done > acting, musical and none musical, and I'm also an unproduced playwright > and unpublished novellist (like too many other people), but a published > rock critic, and a one-time Celtic folk-singer to boot. Then there's my > day job. Wow, that is fascinating! All of those things are things I've always wished I could do someday, but most of them I probably never will do (especially those involving singing and/or acting). As Laurian mentioned, I am studying composition, and I love Celtic music and generally all folk music! If you don't mind my asking, where do you live, Karen? (I live in Littleton, Colorado, but am attending school in Oberlin, Ohio.) --David >From CummingM@gwgate.nhlbi.nih.gov Mon May 12 17:34:18 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 13:10:16 -0400 From: Michelle Cummings Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: old little odessa reply -Reply >> god, the scene w/the hotdogs is by far my favorite part of that movie. i >> love when tim kind of leans over and kicks eddie's bike, it's such a >> brother's affectionate act. > >Martha, I don't know about the minority or majority, but I really >like this movie too! I love the setting and the mood; I like how bleak >and grim it is! I love the snowy winter Brooklyn environment, the way so >much stuff happens at night, the beautiful music, the grimy apartments >and motel rooms and other locations, etc..... It's a sort of arduous film >to watch, but it left a very powerful impression on me. >--David OOOhhh!!! Me too! Me too! The first time I saw this it was too violent for me (would have LOVED it if I were younger!!). But it kept nagging at my little ol' mind (because Tim looks SOOOO good in it!!). So on the second viewing I saw more of Tim's intensity, and realized that "the less he does, the more he says," and his acting ability and genious just blew me away!!! (pun intended!!) Now, it's one of my favorites. And David, I'll have to view it AGAIN and pay more attention to the music this time!! Gee, life is rough, HAVING to view Little Odessa again!! Heeheehee!!! Marguerite, THANKS SO MUCH for checking into the Elle article!!! Anxiously awaiting to see if I should hobble, er, uh, I mean, SPRINT to Borders Books!! Stay Supercool! >From bane@tesla.netline.net Mon May 12 17:34:20 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 13:28:45 +0000 From: XGaharietX Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: OFF: Novel Reply--Tracey Tracey~~ I can never finish anything either (or I'm never quite happy with it when I do) which may be why I have been working on this monstrosity for so long. That and I lost 2,000 pages of text on my way home from college in 1994. I've spent the last three years making up for lost time..er..lost text. Didn't you just go *crazy* when your computer crashed?? Fiftten stories is a lot to lose like that. My novel has been called The Thirteenth Hour (and still is at this moment) but that may change at any moment if I can figure out something more appropriate. It's actually two novels, because it was so long I had to split it in two. (The first one alone has three seperate parts) Yes, guys, I write like I type. (Too much:) If I had to classify it myself I would have to call it "dark erotica" but that doesn't quite cover it, so I'll have to add horror, romance with a heavy dose of the occult. I haven't read Alias Grace. What is it about? Those videos are in the process of being taped. I'll mail you and let you know when they are finished!! Laurian >From RavenDrael@aol.com Mon May 12 17:34:22 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 14:13:37 -0400 (EDT) From: RavenDrael@aol.com Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: old little odessa reply In a message dated 97-05-06 12:44:52 EDT, you write: << Martha, I don't know about the minority or majority, but I really like this movie too! >> so do i, guys! it's one of my favorites of his roles... i just love the emotion he displays when he was holding his mother... i think i even saw an actual tear roll out of the man's eye... but i may be wrong... anyone who has it can verify it for me though... Loki >From mercedes@access.digex.net Mon May 12 17:34:23 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 15:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Mercedes Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: old little odessa reply I also liked LITTLE ODESSA a lot. I could really feel the complexity and conflicts within Tim's character - his reluctance to even admit to himself that he loved anyone else, let alone himself, and yet it was so obvious he did...and yet, he was totally unemotional about it. As if he was absorbing all the feelings, but not reflecting anything back. What was most chilling to me was his total lack of reaction to finding Moira Kelly dead at the end. It's like he didn't even see her. And even his ritual cremation of his brother (with all the excrutiatingly heavy handed concentration camp oven implications) was totally emotionless. What I also liked were some of the tiny details. Like the struggle he had carrying his brother to the oven. Most films would have him simply hoist the body and carry it as if it didn't weigh anything. Touches of realism like that - and the scene with the hot-dog and kicking the bike - and his not too bright way of going about his whole time in Brooklyn, as if he had some premonition of this being the end of his short and obviously sordid life. It's not like he exactly tried to hide or protect himself while he was there - almost as if he felt that the old neighbourhood itself would protect him somehow (this reminded me a lot of Manny's fearlessness in JUMPIN' IN THE BONEYARD - the same sense that he felt that being in the old neighbourhood made him invincible somehow). I would have liked to know a little more about Joshua's first killing - how it happened, and how that propelled him into becoming a professional hit man. I think there was also a bit too much subtlety in the implication that Maximilian Schell had been an abusive father, and that was a big part of Joshua's resentment of him. Now can someone here explain something to me. In both films I've seen where Tim has any kind of sex scene, he does this thing where he covers his lover's eyes with his hand. What is that about? My theory is that he either (a) doesn't want to be seen - wants to intensify sensations; (b) wants to imagine someone else there behind his hand. Neither of these make any convincing sense to me. ANyone else have a theory? (BTW, I live the moment in CAPTIVES where he does the hand over the eyes thing to Julia Ormond, and she does it right back to him, and they both laugh about it.) Karen Mercedes >From elca@uniserv.uniplan.it Mon May 12 17:34:25 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 19:31:18 +0000 (GMT) From: maria rosaria Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: GQ interview part one Raffaella sent me the first part of the transcript of the GQ interview and asked me to pass it on to you... --- "The outsider" Tim Roth has made his name playing bastards and psychos. Jessica Berens talks to an enigmatic exile about his journey from south-London schoolboy to Hollywood hard man. It is possible that Tim Roth doesn't smile much because he has very bad teeth. They are all fighting with each other in an unfashionable melee, despite the fact their owner lives in a place where the orthodontists are open on Sundays. But unsmiling he is, here in the Good Luck bar in Los Angeles. Unsmiling and as cold as a glass of Largactil. His back hurts and he is bent. Crabby. "Am I in it?" he grumbles when a copy of the Sun is presented for his amusement. "I'm not in it, am I?". It would seem that to be interviewed by a person from GQ is the worst thing that could possibly happen to him. As bad as the back ache probably. Best is to "get it over and done with". ASAP. He pulls out a red woollen bobble hat in which he wants to be photographed. It comes from a thrift shop and, erect upon his head, it looks ridiculous- but it turns him into the sort of magnificent loser that he has made his own. Somehow that Made in Britain skinhead will never die. He is still unsmiling, but that awful woolly hat mocks everything. Designer clothes, men's style magazines and himself. The man who always wanted to meet Samuel Beckett has seen the absurdist drama of the photo shoot. And still he does not smile. Froideur can be a fist, and those who have felt its impact might prefer to have spent the day in the boot of Mr Blond's car. "I've never seen him so grumpy," a member of the crew says later. "Perhaps the baby is keeping him awake. He'll be more comfortable when you get to the Dresden Room. It's dark." Tim Roth is at his least charming (ie bad-mannered and offhand) when placed in an environment that is either boring or where he will be forced to submit to forces with which his instincts do not agree (note by Raffaella: what the hell does this mean? Mysteries of journalism...). "He will project the Tim Roth persona," says Jason Burrows, who ran a production company with the actor in the late Eighties," and he will hide behind it." "He has to trust you in order to be open," says Buddy Giovinazzo, who recently directed him in the forthcoming No Way Home. "Everyone's after him. As an actor, he needs to protect himself. He is sensitive, but I wouldn't say he's easy to hurt. He knows reality. He doesn't see the world through pretty eyes." "Nice guy," says James Gray, who made Little Odessa, "But he's drawn to dark stuff." The Dresden Room, south of Franklin, is indeed dark. Later it will fill with industry cats who know that moulded plastic and chandeliers are so out they are in, but at 4pm it is empty except for one very old woman wearing a raincoat and one 35-year-old actor wearing a checked shirt (note by Raffaella: now we know what pisses this woman off... she's ancient!!!!!!!!! The hell with her ). Tim Roth. Edgy, perverse, provocative - he would rather play Genet than any romantic lead; he would rather see Natural Born Killers than Forrest Gump, which he thinks is "politically insidious". (another note: where does she find such crap? Does she dream about it at night? Never seen so much nonsense in a couple of lines! ). He represents the spirit of the new Hollywood, the Hollywood of Kids and Film Threat magazine and Roberto Rodriguez and geeky geeks who argue about the cultural validity of Mandingo. His lips, around a Camel, are usually seen with blood frothing out between them. (another note: Is she sure she's ever watched one of his movies? My pc is so ashamed that it refuses to continue, but I'll do an effort for all of you). His nose says he could do comedy. His manner is as uncuddly as you can get without a firearms licence. Asked what art he would buy, if allowed to buy anything, he relaxes: "I'd have Van Gogh's sunflowers picture that was blown up in Hiroshima, an Egon Schiele self-portrait of him masturbating and -oh yeah- about twenty Bacons." The voice is slightly nasal. The conversation is not enervated by amusing accents but his thoughts are disciplined and his ideas have been carefully considered and processed. "Tim is razor sharp," says Angela Pope, who directed him in Captives. "And he doesn't suffer fools gladly". He is the father of two, Jack and Hunter. (extra note: she's not very informed...) Jack, his son by former girlfriend Lori Baker, lives in London but visited the set of Reservoir Dogs when it was being filmed in Los Angeles six years ago. "He loved all the guys," says Roth. "His favourite was Michael Madsen. He would do that dance that Mike did before the ear came off." This was a scene, lest we forget, so repulsive that it prompted Wes Craven, director of A nightmare on Elm Street, to walk out when the film was screened in Barcelona. Jack was seven. (other little note : Wes Craven is an idiot, his films are not scary, they only stink and are far more violent and disgusting than Reservoir Dogs. Personally speaking, the ear scene didn't upset me that much. According to grandma writing here, I could be, like Tim, a potential serial killer too). "I was worried about him watching it. I took him through a video, talking through the scenes. He gets it. Kids get it. Actually, he gets bored with most of my films. If I had done Mortal Kombat he would have been much more impressed." Jack will go to public school in England. "I don't think you should pay for education, but they've got us over a barrel," he says. "Do I worry that he will turn into a Tory? No. If he does, we will have some really good arguments. I am not going to hold my kid prisoner to my views." Love, Maria Rosaria "That's what we spend half of our life doing: reading each other" (from the Gospel according to Philip Chaney, 7, 23) >From CummingM@gwgate.nhlbi.nih.gov Mon May 12 17:34:27 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 15:49:40 -0400 From: Michelle Cummings Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: old little odessa reply -Reply Hi Karen!!! >Now can someone here explain something to me. In both films I've seen >where Tim has any kind of sex scene, he does this thing where he covers >his lover's eyes with his hand. What is that about? My theory is that he >either (a) doesn't want to be seen - wants to intensify sensations; (b) >wants to imagine someone else there behind his hand. Neither of these >make any convincing sense to me. ANyone else have a theory? This is a great thread that's shows up once in a while here. My little 2 cents worth: Either: 1) Some people have neat little things they do during those particular times (Oh-la-la!!!), or 2) Tim's said more than once during interviews that he hates to watch those scenes because he's not in love with the person, so maybe during the filming, he might really hate doing it, and can't stand to see someone else in front of him, so he shows it by covering up their face. (Though, that's kinda what you said in (b), above. Oops!) Of course, I prefer to think it's #1 above. (Heeheehee!!!) >(BTW, I live the moment in CAPTIVES where he does the hand over the eyes >thing to Julia Ormond, and she does it right back to him, and they both >laugh about it.) Oh my!!! It's cold shower time -- AGAIN!!! Stay Supercool! >From mercedes@access.digex.net Mon May 12 17:34:29 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 15:57:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Mercedes To: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Cc: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: Introduction I live in Washington, DC. My accompanist went to Oberlin, as did my ex-boyfriend, who's trying to make it as a conductor. My only younger man (sigh). Karen >From mercedes@access.digex.net Mon May 12 17:34:31 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:14:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Mercedes Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: Introduction Living in New York? I will envy you. That's where I was born - in Greenwich Village. I used to get back up there a lot when I lived with a guy who worked up there during the week (the ideal live-together situation - we only saw each other on weekends; it didn't last once he moved back to DC to work full-time). My acting started when I was a kid - I was in a theatre apprentice programme with a professional company here in the Washington area. Since then, I've done school and community theatre, but nothing professional (my professional work has been as a singer), though I did do some shows at the very old, establsihed community theatre where Goldie Hawn got her start. The last non-opera thing I was in onstage was A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM - I played Domina, the battle-axe wife. Before that, I did some Gilbert & Sullivan, and also some straight roles - Mommy in THE AMERICAN DREAM, some Oscar Wilde, some British farce (I can do good Brit accents), Rosie Probert in UNDER MILK WOOD. But I don't think I really have enough talent for that kind of acting (vs. opera acting). I'm particularly humbled in my little efforts when I consider the amazing talents of someone like Tim Roth, or Gary Oldman, or Kevin Kline. I don't know how they do it. I think some of it really must just be genetic (or congenital or God given grace). On the other hand, I am very happy with my voice (mezzo-soprano), and have been told it will become world class after another year or so of training. It's funny, because it's not an ego thing at all, but I listen to other mezzos all the time - tons of them - and I actually like the sound of my voice better than any mezzos I've heard live or on record. I don't think I sing better than they do - I'm still "in training", and don't know if I'll ever have my technique down as well as Marilyn Horne or Cecilia Bartoli. But for the sheer sound (colour, weight, texture - quality) of my voice, I like it better. I feel funny saying that, but it's also kind of nice, because I've never felt that way about any of my other abilities or features - though I do know I'm a good writer, but not disciplined enough, or without the right kind of imagination, or something to actually put on paper the kind of book that I envision in my head. It's hard to explain this...it's like, I'd love to write something as lush and lovely and moving as Mark Helprin's A SOLDIER OF THE GREAT WAR, but I'm not sure I have enough patience or profundity or sheer artistic ability to do so. We'll see, I guess. Karen ===== On Tue, 6 May 1997 MoonGrrl12@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-05-05 22:54:29 EDT, you write: > > << I've also done > acting, musical and none musical, >> > > Hello Karen! > > Just thought I'd say hello and welcome to our humble list! I'm also into > acting myself! What kind of stuff have you done? > > Hannah <~~ who is extremly excited because she found out she may be moving to > NYC in a year!! > >From stark@gbd.com Mon May 12 17:34:33 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 17:27:54 -0400 From: myao Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: A wierd thing I read today and Re: Novel Reply--Tracey [The following text is in the "ISO-8859-1" character set] [Your display is set for the "DEC-MCS" character set] [Some characters may be displayed incorrectly] Hi!! > That and I lost 2,000 pages of text on my way home from > college in 1994. Oh my gosh!! If that had happened to me, I think I would have given up for good. You should be proud you perserveered. > Didn't you just go *crazy* when your computer > crashed?? After one time I decided to put everything on disk, and then the disks crashed, and the last time it didn't really crash, but kinda. My computer was having problems (I download too much stuff and had about 20 megs of drive space left) so my dad moved my stuff to his disk. But he didn't copy all of my directories over. I was quite annoyed when I went to work on a story and found out it wasn't there anymore. > My novel has been called The Thirteenth Hour (and still is at this > moment) but that may change at any moment if I can figure out > something more appropriate. I think The Thirteenth Hour is a good title. If you want to think of something more appropriate, why not tell us what your book is about, and we'll try to give you a good title. We do have a lot of awesome people on this list. > Yes, guys, I write like I type. (Too much:) I think typing alot is quite good. I like to type alot too, especially since I'm so fast. > I haven't read Alias Grace. What is it about? It's about Grace Marks, a 15-year old who was convicted of murdering her boss and his girlfriend in the 19th century. The man she was found guilty with, whom people assumed to be her boyfriend, was hanged. She was sentenced to life in prison where she worked as a maid for the head honcho there (I forget the name of the position right now). Her case is being reviewed yet again, and the novel is her recounting her life. I didn't give the story justice, but it is really good, I strongly suggest. everyone read it. It's so good Jodie Foster's production company, as well as Nicole Kidman's were vieing for the rights, which Jodie ulitmately won. I hope she decides to star in it, because I can see her as Grace. > Those videos are in the process of being taped. I'll mail you and let > you know when they are finished!! Thank you so much!! Okay, here is the wierd thing our teacher gave us today in history. I don't know why, but I thought you guys might be interested in it. There is a sacred field with drums going, and chants going, and then pauses. This goes on for four or five days, on and on. Rituals are boring, you know, they just wear you out, and then you break through to something else. At last comes the great moment. There has been a celebration of real sexual orgy, the breaking of all rules. The young boys who are being initiated into manhood are now to have their first sexual experience. There is a great shed of enormous logs supported by two uprights. A young woman comes in ornamented as a diety, and she is brought to lie down in this place beneath the great roof. The boys, six or so, with the drums going and chanting going, one after another, have their first experience of intercourse with the girl. And when the last boy is with her in full embrace, the supports are withdrawn, the logs drop, and the couple is killed. There is the union of male and female again, as they were in the beginning, before the separation took place. There is the union of begetting and death. They are both the same thing. Then the couple is pulled out and roasted and eaten that very evening. The ritual is the repetition of the orginal act of the killing of a god followed by the coming of food from the dead savior. In the sacrifice of the Mass, you are taught that this is the body and blood of the Savior. you take it to you, and you turn inward, and there he works within you. Sorry for making this so long. ttfn Tracey >From Rossevelli@aol.com Mon May 12 17:34:39 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 18:21:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossevelli@aol.com Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: old little odessa reply Well, I did like it... although I came away thouroughly numb and later thourougly depressed after my first viewing.... when I rewatched it I was able to get more of a feel for his character and performance... But, exactly what do you think of the end when Josh, Ruevan, and their mother all sit on the bed together. What does that signify? I've come up with my own theories, which have differed with my friends.... what do YOUSE GUYS tink' about it? Danielle~ >From Rossevelli@aol.com Mon May 12 17:34:41 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 19:01:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Rossevelli@aol.com Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Kinda OFF: Reeaally odd day Well, it's kinda on. But mostly off. It involves my own little Tim clone, so I think that's 'on' enough to merit a post... that and I'm so wigged out I gotta tell SOMEone. Well, okay, it involves my reeeaally unbalanced friend. Shall we call her... 'Frieda'? Anyway... 'Frieda' and... 'Hiram' broke up last week, and last Friday 'Hiram' made it known to me he sorta... was kinda affectionate towards me. Whoooops! Well, being that I've got my Mike Myers/Jim Carrey clone-boyfriend (He don't look like that herion addict no more; gotta haircut....) I respectfully declined. Flash forward to Tuesday! Whooooosh! Okay, I'm at lunch. I'm talking to the Tim Roth/Christian Slater/Steven Dorff clone. We're sharing a joke when.... "What the?!" Splutters the clone! I turn around and there's Frieda, launching herself at me, screaming, and brandishing a plastic fork!! She throws me on the ground, which was Quite an accomplishment; she's such a little thing! She falls on top of me, screaming, sobbing, hissing, trying to, I believe, claw out my eyes... The Tim Roth clone climbs across the table, pulls her off, pushes her down... my Mike Myers/Jim Carrey man comes outta nowhere, picks me up, and he and the Tim Roth clone and some other kid I dunno heroically keep the she-beast away! (Who, coincidentally is somewhat of an Ivanka Trump clone. ) So she's writhing on the floor, my lip is bleeding coz I bit the hell out of it, teachers are scurrying, we're ushered into the office, she's restrained coz now she's trying to kill everyone ELSE, and it become apparent why she went apeshit: She found OUT about Hiram and I, somehow blamed me for their breakup, and the fact that she didn't take her lithium and God knows what else this morning AND the fact that she is prone to psychotic episodes. Simple, eh? So then, after all that... to cheer me up my Tim Roth and Mike Myers men AND a gal who looks a helluva lot like Alicia Witt all helped me skip last period, and we all went and partook of a greatly lowbrow but brilliant movie: 'Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery', which turned out to be a rather bizarre experience, coz the flickering, dim light started playing tricks on me... Tim Roth was on my left! Not no clone, ya'll... Tim ROTH! And to my right? Mike MYERS! And then the Alicia WITT clone had gone to the bathroom, so I didn't see her.... but.. um... yep. Wow! I'm thinking maaaybe that the nuclear power plant about 100 miles south of us has had some part in (a.) turning my peers into pyschos and (b.) morphing my peers into celebrity look-alikes! Or could it be all an insidious plot? Ever see the Batman with that gooey guy? He was made of goo and could morph into anyone... and it made him go Psycho! Coincidence? I think not. And for a good time, go see 'Austin Powers'... best bit of all is the guard and the steam roller.... ::snickers madly:: To put this post back ON... ya think Tim would go see this movie? The Shagariffic Danielle~ >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:34:43 1997 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 21:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: old little odessa reply > But, exactly > what do you think of the end when Josh, Ruevan, and their mother all sit on > the bed together. What does that signify? I've come up with my own theories, > which have differed with my friends.... what do YOUSE GUYS tink' about it? I have had many many thoughts about this scene. My current theory is that he is dreaming of or envisioning a reunion with his mother and brother that now can never be because of what he has done and what he has become. Sort of imagining a heaven where he could never go to. And I think he realizes the full meaning of what he has done and become -- saying "the error of his ways" is too simplistic, but more like how it impacted those around him (and caused his brother's and Alla's deaths) and how he has become like a ghost among the living (like his father says, "There's nowhere left for you to go"). It's very bleak. This is perhaps his only moment of self-awareness in the movie, that's why I think it is so significant. I think Tim's expression when he's sitting there in the car at the end says a lot: sort of this probing, contemplating, very cold look. He doesn't suddenly break down and get emotional, but I think he realizes the import of everything at last. He's been avoiding the truth for a long time (like when he walks away when his father says the quote above), but finally he lets it catch up to him. --David >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:34:50 1997 Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 00:11:08 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: old little odessa reply > > What was most chilling to me was his total lack of reaction to finding > Moira Kelly dead at the end. It's like he didn't even see her. And even > his ritual cremation of his brother (with all the excrutiatingly heavy > handed concentration camp oven implications) was totally emotionless. Yes, it's like the script suddenly forgot Moira Kelly. I think since the whole film was about the Shapira family, it's proper that the ending should have focused on the brothers as it did; maybe as an alternative the script shouldn't have had her killed, then we wouldn't have to wonder why Joshua ignored her. It's funny, I never even noticed the concentration camp implications before, though now you point it out it is so perfectly obvious! I can't imagine what it means, though. (Is he comparing Joshua's life to a Holocaust? I think James Gray is more sympathetic than that... could it have been very heavy unintentionally?) > > What I also liked were some of the tiny details. Like the struggle he had > carrying his brother to the oven. Most films would have him simply hoist > the body and carry it as if it didn't weigh anything. I liked that scene, too! To me it serves as a kind of metaphor, indirectly expressing all of Joshua's burden and guilt and emotion as he does this agonizing job of cremating his brother. I thought it was so powerful (and realistic too). > > I would have liked to know a little more about Joshua's first killing - > how it happened, and how that propelled him into becoming a professional > hit man. I think there was also a bit too much subtlety in the > implication that Maximilian Schell had been an abusive father, and that > was a big part of Joshua's resentment of him. I didn't mind this, because I think that even though Tim is the main character, it really is Reuben's story in many ways. He's the one who is really at a crossroads in his life, whose fate is being determined over the course of the movie -- Joshua is pretty much gone already. And he (Reuben) has so many things to deal with from so many different sources: his brother coming back to town, his father pressuring him, his mom's sickness, etc. (In this his role is sort of like Julia Ormond's in Captives.) I like the way the subtlety works, but that's mostly just personal taste. I like how it gives some hints, it suggests a few pieces of the puzzle, but we know that there is a lot more to the story that we don't know about. It does keep the focus on Reuben. And I wouldn't have wanted the movie to offer any simplistic explanations for why somebody becomes a professional killer. I sure don't think as hard about my Russian History essays as I do about stuff like this.... :) --David >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:34:52 1997 Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 00:30:29 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: GQ interview part one Wow, Maria and Raffaella, thanks for the GQ interview! It's fascinating, if somewhat nasty. (And the interjected comments were hilarious!) At least this interviewer has unleashed for us that "psycho bastard" side of Tim that we haven't previously seen; but then we haven't seen any interviewers quite this dumb yet either...... > "I've never seen him so grumpy," a member of the crew says later. "Perhaps > the baby is keeping him awake. He'll be more comfortable when you get to the > Dresden Room. It's dark." Just an observation (and I'm sure I could make many more about that article): now, right here one of the crew members TOLD this person that Tim had a new baby.....but that didn't stop her from putting that Tim only had two children a few paragraphs later. I think I really really would have liked to see Tim exploring that uncharming and ill-mannered side of his personality with this interviewer, glaring frigidly at her and the like; Tim suffering a fool, not gladly, as it were. (I kind of imagine Wednesday in the recent Addams Family movies.) Wouldn't it have been fun to watch? :) Thanks again, Maria and Raffaella! --David >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:34:54 1997 Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: WELCOME NEW ROTHIE & Hello -Reply > I read somewhere that the original ending had Alla and Josh getting > married and they take Ruben somewhere else and they all 3 live together. > Can't remember the article I read that in. James Gray said this when he spoke here. Actually, he said that the studio executives found his script depressing (really?) and tried to impose this ending on the movie, but he managed to resist them, and was allowed to keep his original ending. --David >From mercedes@access.digex.net Mon May 12 17:34:55 1997 Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 17:54:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Mercedes Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: Introduction Rosie Probert in Under Milk Wood - she's the one in bed, who sings the little song to herself. I'm a mezzo soprano, and Puccini (who wrote LA BOHEME) had a prejudice against my voice type - so, no, I've never done LA BOHEME or any Puccini. Verdi, on the other hand, loved mezzos like me - so I'm learning the role of Azucena in IL TROVATORE at the moment - and will also be learning Carmen and Dalila (two other big mezzo roles) this summer, for workshop performances in late July. What kind of music do you sing? Musical theatre? I used to do a lot of that too. I've been the Mayor's Wife in THE MUSIC MAN, Domina in A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM, Winifred in ONCE UPON A MATTRESS, and Little Buttercup in HMS PINAFORE. Back on topic: I watched THE COOK, THE THIEF, etc. for the first time last night (the film had never appealed to me on any level before - I'm not a big Greenaway fan, not even of his earlier non-shocker films). Can someone explain to me the point of that film. It seemed like an Eric Rohmer film plus grossness (i.e., talk talk talk - but in this case, talk talk talk puke talk talk talk). I wasn't surprised, having been one of maybe 10 people who saw BABY OF MACON (in which a naked Ralph Fiennes is gored by a bull onscreen). But I just don't get the point of the grossness in THE COOK. I mean, I can get the point of the egregious violence and bloodiness in Tarantino's films, but I don't get the Greenaway point. Perhaps because his films are otherwise so lush and aesthetically-pleasing (if dramatically as dull as dishwater), I just didn't see the "message" in putting in the truly gratuitous scatalogy. It wasn't even well-integrated. It just seemed to be there for its own sake, adding nothing to the dramatic or aesthetic point of the film. Tim, of course, was adorable as ever. A much more appealing vomiter than Linda whatshername in THE EXORCIST. Karen ===== On Tue, 6 May 1997 MoonGrrl12@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-05-06 16:52:04 EDT, you write: > > << Living in New York? I will envy you. That's where I was born - in > Greenwich Village. >> > > If we do move (the peices of the puzzle have to be in the right place) thats > exactly where we would go! I love it there! I just saw Under Milk Wood this > year at Hartford Stage - and I loved it, but I sort of forget it, which one > was the one you played again? Thats so cool that you are an opera singer, my > vioce teacher is an opera singer (but I'm not studying opera). Have you ever > done La Boheme :) <~ I smile because its the only opera I know!! :) > Hannah > >From sakana@fastrans.net Mon May 12 17:34:57 1997 Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 17:04:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Martha Fischer Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: OFF: the tempest >You should also make sure to see another interesting TEMPEST film - it's >called TEMPEST, and it was directed by and starred John Cassavetes. >Dramatically, it's actually superior to PROSPERO'S BOOKS, though the >latter is far and away the more beautiful film. hear hear!!!! i LOVE this film. it's a modernized version, interesting in that it's called TEMPEST and not THE TEMPEST, making the suggestion that this is just one of many, if that makes sense. it features molly ringwald in what i think is her first film role (she got--and deserved, i swear!-- a best supporting actress nomination from some group) and raul julia, who is fantastic as the caliban (kalibanos) character. in a shakespeare (if that's spelled wrong, just shoot me) on film class that i took in college, i did a paper/presentation comparing cassavetes' version, the text, and derek jarman's THE TEMPEST. i don't know how you guys feel about jarman, but i think he was a brilliant filmmaker, and THE TEMPEST is my favorite of his films. as with most of his stuff, it's filled with homosexual under (and over) tones, which add a lot to how you look @ the story. for him, for example, ariel is male (and is wonderfully played by karl johnson). ok, enough from me. martha ps if anyone finds jarman's version on video, please let me kno! >From sakana@fastrans.net Mon May 12 17:35:00 1997 Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 17:06:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Martha Fischer Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: OFF: greenaway > >Back on topic: I watched THE COOK, THE THIEF, etc. for the first time >last night (the film had never appealed to me on any level before - I'm >not a big Greenaway fan, not even of his earlier non-shocker films). has anyone seen his really early, experimental (student?) piece called "dear phone"? it basically consists of phone conversations on scripts on camera, being read by someone off-camera, intercut with shots of a phone box and the sound of a ringing phone. i LOVED it-- very, very clever and disarming; for a second i thought i would be a greenaway fan, but sadly, it was not to be. (: martha >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:35:03 1997 Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 20:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: Introduction > But I just don't get the point of the > grossness in THE COOK. I mean, I can get the point of the egregious > violence and bloodiness in Tarantino's films, but I don't get the > Greenaway point. Perhaps because his films are otherwise so lush and > aesthetically-pleasing (if dramatically as dull as dishwater), I just > didn't see the "message" in putting in the truly gratuitous scatalogy. It > wasn't even well-integrated. It just seemed to be there for its own sake, > adding nothing to the dramatic or aesthetic point of the film. The film is so filled with beauty, and then in the midst of all the beauty is this really really disgusting stuff.....I think it's partly because the film is about contrasts in some ways, like way the Wife is divided between the really coarse Thief compared to the really quiet bookish Lover. And then I think the mix of brutal squalor and beauty is part of Peter Greenaway's world view (this is another part of the contrasts): sometimes what appears beautiful on the outside is rotten and corrupt on the inside. I think the Peter Greenaway means to suggest the hypocrisy of the rich, or of all those who make money off of exploiting others, perhaps, or of people like the Thief who eat all the fancy French foods without knowing how to pronounce them. I think it's not just there gratuitously. --David >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:35:06 1997 Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 20:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: OFF: the tempest > > in a shakespeare (if that's spelled wrong, just shoot me) Interesting side note: Shakespeare himself spelled his name dozens of different ways on different documents, but the one spelling that he apparently never used is....."Shakespeare." --David >From CummingM@gwgate.nhlbi.nih.gov Mon May 12 17:35:10 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 09:42:58 -0400 From: Michelle Cummings Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: REALLY OFF >> in a shakespeare (if that's spelled wrong, just shoot me) > > Interesting side note: Shakespeare himself spelled his name >dozens of different ways on different documents, but the one spelling >that he apparently never used is....."Shakespeare." >--David Hi Fellow RothMates!!! In a meditation once, I saw VERY CLEARLY: Shaxpeare David (or anyone else), do you know if he ever spelled his name like this? Oops!! I said I wouldn't mention meditation anymore (like last Jan. or so). Oopsie!!! Well, you all can kick me off the list, if you want. Also, a VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY to all our May Rothies!!! (Wanted to get this in just in case the list goes ka-put!). (I know my brain's gonna go ka-put any second now, if I don't get some coffee!! :) :) Also, just wanted to mention about the GQ article with Tim being in a ripe ol' gross mood -- the poor guy!!! He might have had some really bad experiences with journalists (please, no offense to any journalists on the list). But, you never know what's happened to a person 'til they tell you, you know? Since I work with doctors, they get interviewed a fair amount of time from newspapers, magazines, tv stations -- I know most of the doctors hate it, because they say no matter what they tell the person, if the journalist has a certain viewpoint about something, then no matter what the doctor says, the journalist is probaby going to "slant" the article. And sometimes what the doctor said doesn't resemble the article at all, but of course, it has the doctor's name in it. So, the docs here really don't care too much to be interviewed. Again to any journalists on our list, please don't take any offense -- I think we sometimes just get the "rotten apples" here to interview the doctors. Really, I KNOW there are GREAT journalists out there!!! But I'm just "reporting" what a lot of our doctors have gone through here. I have no idea what Tim's gone through with reporters, but if he's had really bad experiences, then I wouldn't blame him for putting up a front with the GQ article. But I DO know, Nicole (who used to be on our list), had a great time with him!!! And the other people who used to be on our list too, who have met Tim have had the BEST things to say about him, like being really easy to get along with while working on the movie set. And our fellow Rothie who spent a lot of time with Jack on the movie set, just couldn't say enough wonderful things about him. So I tend to take articles "with a grain of salt" and I try to think that there might be other explanations about why someone acts a certain way, at certain times, you know? Just my little ol' 2 cents worth here. Thanks for bearing with me here. P.S. Can't WAIT 'til tomorrow -- Gary Oldman's film "The 5th Element" comes out!!!! (Hmmm. Now -- that's what the ads "say" -- you never know what'll happen!! Heeheehee!!!! (Gee, I must do something about all this negative stuff coming out of me today. I know!! When I get home, I'll watch a Tim video!!! Yeah!! THAT'LL DO IT!!! Hubba! Hubba!) Stay Supercool Everyone!!! >From bane@tesla.netline.net Mon May 12 17:35:12 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 11:59:24 +0000 From: XGaharietX Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: OFF: Jarman (was: the tempest) David~~ I've got Jarman's "The Reflecting Skin" on tape, but can probably (maybe) find some of the others and tape them. Which are you trying to find? Laurian **who is up to her ears (it's not a very tall pile) in videos, taping happily** >From mercedes@access.digex.net Mon May 12 17:35:14 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 13:25:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Mercedes To: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Cc: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: The Cook, the Thief (was: Introduction) Well, I forced myself to watch it again last night, just to see if I was missing something. I have to admit, second time around it had its moments, but I think it was overlong for getting across what was a pretty obvious point. I have to admit, the violence was a *LOT* more troubling than anything in Tarantino, which I suppose means it's more effective. I did have to wonder at the nun wheeling the boy soprano in at the end. I could understand why the boy soprano was there, and why his wheelchair had to be brought in by a nun, but on the "suspension of disbelief" level, it really stretched it - I just didn't see a nun condoning bringing a child to the event or letting him stay there once she'd sussed what was going on. Of course, it was totally irrelevant - these were archetypes, not characters (indeed, I thought Mitchell was one of the few multi-dimensional *characters* in the film - the rest really were symbols, with no real depth once you figured out what they stood for). There were also little stylistic clevernesses that I found unnecessary - but I feel that way about all Greenaway. For example, there was absolutely no reason for him to keep changing the colours of Helen Mirren's dresses when she was in the loo vs. the dining room. He just did it for the sake of doing it, and I found it annoying and cheap. I also found the boy soprano singing the same bloody hymn over and over and over again was flogging a joke that wasn't all that funny in the first place (comparing the washing of dishes to the washing clean of one's sins). All and all, my problem with Greenaway is that he tries so hard to get you to think he's subtle, when he's actually amazingly heavy-handed about everything. He does in two hours what a good music video can do more effectively in 3 minutes 50. Karen >From Elias.Sardonis@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:35:18 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 13:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: ELIAS Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: The Cook, the Thief (was: Introduction) > characters (indeed, I thought Mitchell was one of the few > multi-dimensional *characters* in the film - the rest really were symbols, > with no real depth once you figured out what they stood for). what would you say they stood for? > There were also little stylistic clevernesses that I found unnecessary - > but I feel that way about all Greenaway. For example, there was > absolutely no reason for him to keep changing the colours of Helen > Mirren's dresses when she was in the loo vs. the dining room. He just did it wasn't just mirren's dresses, all garments of color worn by people who were under the control of the theif (my interpretation, at least) including the theif and most of his rogues, though not the lover nor the cook, changed color depending on location- blue for outside, green in the kitchen, red in the dining room, and white in the bathroom. i thought it was really neat. it added a slight surreality to the film, but in a different way than the absurdly violent ot otherwise unbelievable actions of the characters. i think greenaway is brilliant- i am travelling an hour to go see an advance screening of his new film and see him in person afterwards. i think he is the most brilliant director around, at least visually and conceptually. if you're looking for stories or reality then he is not the place to go, but his films are what i imagine true film to be. the only other films to really come close artistically are those of jeunet and caro, which i also think are brilliant. kubrick can hold his own, too (clockwork and 2001, namely) but not nearly as consistantly nor truely "beautifully" even though that is not quite the right word, because it is a feeling of the juxtaposition of beauty and violence and i am rambling so i'll stop. > everything. He does in two hours what a good music video can do more > effectively in 3 minutes 50. > > Karen > i think he does in two hours in almost every film what most directors couldn't even come close to in all their films combined. oh well, to each his (or her) own. ELIAS emoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoe "i got a letter from the IRS the other day. they said that i owed them $800. so i wrote them back. i said, "if you remember, when i filed my return i fastened it with a paperclip, and according to your own government pentagon spending figures, that should more than cover it." -emo philips emoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoe >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:35:21 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: The Cook, the Thief (was: Introduction) > Of course, it was totally irrelevant - these were archetypes, not > characters (indeed, I thought Mitchell was one of the few > multi-dimensional *characters* in the film - the rest really were symbols, > with no real depth once you figured out what they stood for). This became awfully convoluted as I got into writing it, but here it is: I think this is an ongoing thing in Peter Greenaway's films. I think his characters are like, maybe, the different pieces of a chess game. Each character has its own function and position in the game, there is a hierarchy structure, and each character follows a set of arbitrary, almost ritualistic rules (like how Helen Mirren's clothes change color depending on what room she's in). Greenaway's treatment of his characters as chess pieces is a kind of symbolism, reflecting another aspect of his world view: people as cardboard players in a elaborate, ritualistic game, manipulated by many different forces. (Like in the Hangman's Cricket scene in Drowning by Numbers, for those of you that have seen it.) And because of the game, what we are ourselves doesn't always determine what happens to us; I know Greenaway has said that part of his filmmaking philosophy is that "the bad aren't always punished, the good aren't always rewarded" or something along those lines -- I forget the exact quote but I can look it up if anyone wants. I think this is why he treated the screechy pot-washing boy in The Cook.... the way he did. The kid is all innocent, naive, angelic, pitiful (and very annoying!) and so forth but he is forced to eat buttons. (And I think the way the kid was wheeled in to watch at the end shows sort of how people like him have to get their revenge on the Thief vicariously because they are weak.) His characters are archetypal or symbolic or whatever because in this sense what they themselves are doesn't matter. Their allotted ROLE matters. This kind of treatment of the characters as chess pieces in his films is especially obvious in his Drowning by Numbers, which I love, and which is all about (or a lot about) games-playing. Does this make any sort of sense? --David >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:35:23 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: REALLY OFF: Shakespeare (?) > > In a meditation once, I saw VERY CLEARLY: Shaxpeare > David (or anyone else), do you know if he ever spelled his name like this? According to a book on language I have, there are six known signatures of Shakespeare in existence today, and each is spelled differently, including "Shakspeare" and "Shakspere" and I don't know what else. (He even spelled it two different ways on one document: his will.) Other records from that time have about 80 spellings of his name, including "Shagspeare" and "Shakestaffe" (!). So it wouldn't surprise me if "Shaxpeare" was in there somewhere! :) --David >From Elias.Sardonis@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:35:25 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:45:33 -0400 (EDT) From: ELIAS Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: OFF: shakespeare who? > David > How much do you know about the whole Shakespeare didn't write > shakespeare theory? > > > rick > well, i am not david, but we go to the same school and have had enough coincidences that i don't feel bad about answering questions directed to him. ;) i am slightled versed in the theory. i am kind of of the opinion that it was actually the earl of oxford who wrote the plays, mainly because i am taking a "classical drama and shakespeare" comp lit class and the teacher believes that so it rubbed off on me. there are lots of reasons, i don't really know all of them. the earl died shortly after "the tempest" "shakespeare's" last play was originally produced. i forgot lots of the other things. there are all sorts of other people who are suspects too. much of it is that shakespeare didn't seem to be very schooled, whereas whoever wrote the plays obviously knew at least some latin and ancient greek, as well as extensive knowledge of classical drama and mythology and traditional stories and such. "comedy of errors is so much based on a play called "menaichmae" (bad spelling) by plautus, a roman playwright that it is more a reworking than a new play. um, i'll stop for now since this has nothing to do with tim except he was in rosencrantz and guildenstern are dead. there was something about hamlet that had to do with the earl of oxford thing, but i forget now. ELIAS emoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoe "i got a letter from the IRS the other day. they said that i owed them $800. so i wrote them back. i said, "if you remember, when i filed my return i fastened it with a paperclip, and according to your own government pentagon spending figures, that should more than cover it." -emo philips emoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoe >From allennickell@wesnet.com Mon May 12 17:35:28 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:55:22 -0400 From: Richard Nickell Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: OFF: shakespeare who? Rick the Hamlet thing consisted of the Earl of Oxford growing up in a house that had (I think just) 2 rules, one of which being "to thine own self be true" I did a rather lengthy report on it last year and had to do a debate on it. I wanted thje shaksepeare didn't write it side, but got stuck with the other side. I did a considedable amount of studing and research and I ended up winning. My debating stratechy hardly loses:)))))) I'm here until 9:00 so I'm up for a deep conversation with anyone whoi can type. rick "and then the realization came to me: so many stupid people, so few comets" ELIAS wrote: > > > David > > How much do you know about the whole Shakespeare didn't write > > shakespeare theory? > > > > > > rick > > > > well, i am not david, but we go to the same school and have had enough > coincidences that i don't feel bad about answering questions directed to > him. ;) > > i am slightled versed in the theory. i am kind of of the opinion that it > was actually the earl of oxford who wrote the plays, mainly because i am > taking a "classical drama and shakespeare" comp lit class and the teacher > believes that so it rubbed off on me. there are lots of reasons, i don't > really know all of them. the earl died shortly after "the tempest" > "shakespeare's" last play was originally produced. i forgot lots of the > other things. there are all sorts of other people who are suspects too. > > much of it is that shakespeare didn't seem to be very schooled, whereas > whoever wrote the plays obviously knew at least some latin and ancient > greek, as well as extensive knowledge of classical drama and > mythology and traditional stories and such. "comedy of errors is so much > based on a play called "menaichmae" (bad spelling) by plautus, a roman > playwright that it is more a reworking than a new play. > > um, i'll stop for now since this has nothing to do with tim except he was > in rosencrantz and guildenstern are dead. there was something about > hamlet that had to do with the earl of oxford thing, but i forget now. > > ELIAS > > emoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoe > "i got a letter from the IRS the other day. they said that i owed them $800. > so i wrote them back. i said, "if you remember, when i filed my return i > fastened it with a paperclip, and according to your own government pentagon > spending figures, that should more than cover it." -emo philips > emoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoemoe >From David.Wright@oberlin.edu Mon May 12 17:35:33 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:07:34 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Wright@oberlin.edu Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: REALLY OFF: Shakespeare (?) > David > How much do you know about the whole Shakespeare didn't write > shakespeare theory? > > rick I know a fair though not encyclopedic amount; in fact, I was just reading an article on the Shakespeare-not-writing-Shakespeare question last night so it's funny you should ask! Do you know much about it? The root of the controversy seems to be that from what we know of Shakespeare, his father was illiterate, his children were illiterate, and apparently he didn't even keep copies of his own plays around his house (we know this from his will). Part of the problem is that there is some identity confusion about the man who married Anne Hathaway and whether he was the same Shakespeare who was the playwright....it's really confusing. The main problem with suggesting that Shakespeare didn't write the Shakespeare plays is that nobody has discovered a remotely likely alternative. I think the article mentioned that one problem with the Earl of Oxford is that he died in 1604, which means either that "Shakespeare's" late plays were written a lot earlier than most of the evidence would suggest, or that the Earl of Oxford didn't write them. Rick, did you ever get to see Quentin Tarantino at the movie showing that you told us about? Has that happened yet? --David >From mercedes@access.digex.net Mon May 12 17:35:36 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 20:18:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Mercedes Reply to: timrothfan@u.washington.edu To: Tim Roth Fans Subject: Re: Journalists To be honest, it was so long ago, that most of the stories have been lost to my memory. I do have a few. One of the ones I'll never forget was having Nick Cave, Jim Thirwell, and Mark Almond in my Dodge Colt. Cave and Thirwell were staying with someone in an iffy part of Washington, and I volunteered to drive them there - which meant driving through the big drug neighbourhood. Well, Nick was in the back seat, drinking Cutty Sark straight from the bottle, when we reached 14th and P Street. He told me to stop the car, because he wanted to get out and score some heroin. I told him fine, he could get out, but that I wouldn't be waiting around for him to get back in. Wimpy boy, changed his mind pretty quick. Another time, I remember after a Psychedelic Furs concert, their drummer - Phil Calvert, who had been with The Birthday Party (with Nick Cave) before joining the Furs - asked me to ride in his bunk with him up to New York. I don't know if he was kidding or not, but I figured "what the hell", and took him up on it. Unfortunately, it was one of those big tour buses, which meant we didn't *do* anything (at least not on the bus) - but we did have a good time in the Village, and I got to see their gig that night, before Phil (being ever the gent) put me on the Amtrak back to D.C. There are more stories - I bet I could think of lots, if I tried. My best memory was with The Members, a group from Manchester that never really made it here. I interviewed them before the show on Saturday night, but they stayed over on Sunday too - invited me back that night for roast beef and Yorkshire pudding cooked by their manager in the kitchenette of his hotel room. After which, we played poker for nickles and quarters, and I - being the rich young American (ha!) sprang for a bottle of Remy Martin from the hotel bar ($80 that! Have VISA will travel) as my contribution to dinner. I also remember the interview with their lead singer - a very well read, intellectual bloke who was also into fine antiques. He turned me on to J.P. Donleavy and J.G. Ballard, for which I'll be ever-grateful to him. I got him interested in Tom Stoppard and N.F. Simpson. Fair trade, I think. I remember one of the most "normal" episodes was with The Spoons - an all-guy band except their girl lead singer. After interviewing her, she took me aside and asked if I wouldn't mind taking her to a drug store, because she needed tampons. Obviously, she didn't want to ask one of the guys - or the road crew (all of whom were male). It was rather poignant, thinking of this lone girl among all these guys, with no other girl to talk to for weeks on the road. She and I spent the whole afternoon together before their gig, just being girly and giggling and stuff. We went clothes shopping in the few boutiques on Capitol Hill. It was a hoot. I took the Thompson Twins (all three of them) on an after-midnight tour of Washington, D.C. They were Brits, and had never been, and were totally awed by the Mall. I rode in the van back to the hotel with The Sisters of Mercy, and remember going "rat bashing" in the alley behind the club - in the van - the driver slamming into reverse, then first, and over and over, trying to run over the rats that were scurrying all over. Andrew Eldritch and I had a correspondence going for a while after that interview. He was really into Trans Ams, so I sent him a model one, and he reciprocated by sending me postcards from various "exotic" locales on the road. I also corresponded for a while with the bassist from Hunters and Collectors - who was also a computer geek (not geek, really, but into PCs long before it was _de riguer_). He also sent me wild postcards. I remember one from The Big Cow near Brisbane - which was a Big Cow that was a dairy museum inside. It was nice, because I always got together with him when the band came back to D.C. or Philly. One did actually meet friends in the biz. It was the same with Al Jourgensen of Ministry for a while - this is back when he had his brief synthpop phase. He was a very sweet guy, despite the hair. Aside from Bow Wow Wow (only the guys), the only orgy I was aware of was The Fixx after their D.C. gig. I went back to the hotel bar to get more notes after the interview, and got invited to the orgy. Declined with polite regrets, but at least I was invited! The Alarm - a Welsh Big Country/U2 clone band - opened for Big Country here, so I interviewed them after I did Big Country. They were pretty ho-hum, but their road manager, a gent named "Gaz" (at least that's the name he went by), was an absolute howl. He was raised in North Wales (Rhyl), and Welsh was his first language. It was the first Welsh I ever heard outside of THE CORN IS GREEN. He taught me my first Welsh phrases (nothing dirty) - which I remembered for a long time, particularly as I started to study Welsh for a while a few years later, when I was singing with the folk group (I wanted to know what the words meant that I was singing, and how to pronounce them properly). Nowadays, I still remember how to say "good morning", "good evening", etc., and also "a basket of Caerphilly cheese" and "How's the knee?" (the latter from a dialogue in the text book, where the brother hurt his knee playing football). Backstage with Mental as Anything (an Australian rockabilly group, who were among the more intellectual and fascinating blokes I interviewed, in part because they'd all finished university and were somewhat older than most of the other musicians I dealt with) Well, that's all the stories I can remember. I remember a few impressions - the Stranglers were absolute shits, very into mind games, and very rude (except for the one Frenchman in the group, who was rather sweet by comparison). Madness were absolutely sweet - like little boys (just like their image). Dave Wakeling of the English Beat was to d